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Saturday, September 11, 2010

Zhào Yún 赵云

Posted by Ricky Chua On 12:05 AM 11 comments
Translated description:
"The young general 少年将军 (shào nián jiāng jūn)"

Who is he:
The hunk in Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Zhao Yun is portrayed like the Antonio Banderas of ancient China, complete with sword wielding abilities equal to Zorro (or probably better?). Always the general of Shu Han 蜀汉 that appears to save the day when their need is crucial, Zhao Yun is arguably one of the most well-liked characters in the entire story. If you expect this character to have abilities to be feared in the card game, then you are right.

Character ability: "Dragon Heart 龙胆 (lóng dǎn)"
All your ATTACK 杀 and DODGE 闪 cards can be used interchangeably.

Ability's relation to story:
Scant relation to the story, really. We all know Zhao Yun is a really good fighter, so I guess it was natural to make his ability skewed towards attack. But the cool thing about Zhao Yun's "Dragon Heart" ability is he has a much stronger evasive ability than most players. Compared to Guan Yu 关羽 and Zhang Fei 张飞 who can heap loads of attack damage, Zhao Yun has an abnormal amount of ATTACK cards at his disposal but also has an incredible amount of DODGE as well! You kind of get the impression that the game makers want us to think that Guan Yu and Zhang Fei are pure brute strength while Zhao Yun has more dexterity and flexibility.

Additional info based on story:
1. Most famous achievement - Zhao Yun's rescue of Liu Shan 刘禅 at the Battle of Chang Ban 长板. This story is the stuff of legends. Zhao Yun is separate from Liu Bei 刘备 in the chaos after Cao Cao 曹操 attacks. Liu Bei's generals reported seeing Zhao Yun dash in the direction of the enemy alone, inferring that Zhao Yun has deserted Liu Bei and joined the enemy. Liu Bei would have none of it and believed Zhao Yun must have some plan up his sleeve. True enough, Zhao Yun ran into the enemy to search for Liu Bei's wife and son, Liu Shan, who was missing as well. After finding Liu Shan but not being able to rescue Liu Bei's wife, Zhao Yun dashes back towards Liu Bei, encountering literally thousands of enemy troops alone. One versus a few thousand, Zhao Yun manages to slay over 50 of Cao Cao's generals and hundreds of troops before successfully escaping. When Liu Shan was finally presented back to Liu Bei, Liu Bei tosses the baby on the ground, exclaiming that his son's life was not worth endangering his great general.

2. Cause of death - Zhao Yun died of old age, which was a remarkable feat not to have died in battle in that era. He remained undefeated in battle till his death. Most of the other Shu Han generals were all killed in action.


Wikipedia link:



FAQ and Disambiguation:

Dragon Heart
1. When Zhao Yun has equipped Serpent Halberd 丈八蛇矛, can he use any 2 on-hand cards as DODGE (since interchangeable with ATTACK)?


Ans: No. Equipment effects are not interchangeable under Dragon Heart, only the cards themselves.


2. When equipped with EIGHT TRIGRAMS 八卦阵, can he choose to activate judgement to flip a red card and use as ATTACK (since interchangeable with DODGE)?

Ans: No. Refer to 1.


3. If Zhao Yun uses DODGE as an ATTACK card, will there be any elemental attribute to the ATTACK?

Ans: No. They will be viewed as normal ATTACKs.


4. If Liu Bei uses "Rouse"(Shua Characters use ATTACK on his behalf), can Zhao Yun use a DODGE card as ATTACK for him?

Ans: Yes.


5. If Zhao Yun equips Eight Trigrams 八卦阵 , can he use it to generate Dodge but used as an Attack?

Ans: The official FAQ answer is no,though this point is still widely contested.





11 comments:

  1. >>1. When Zhao Yun has equipped Serpent 丈八蛇矛, can he use any 2 on-hand cards as DODGE (since interchangeable with ATTACK)?


    Surely he can, you first misinterpreted the instruction of Serpent Halberd in that page. You never discard any cards when using halberd.

    The proper instruction of Serpent Halberd is: When equipped, you can make any of your 2 on-hand cards as an ATTACK. I've checked the page of Cao Cao and I saw that he can get those 2 cards if he's targeted by a Halberd equipper. I guess this is because those 2 cards would be seen as an ATTACK, but not because they are discarded.

    Correspondingly, when Zhao Yun needs to use a DODGE, surely he can first use the Halberd function making 2 cards be seen as an ATTACK, and then use his Dragon Heart skill making this ATTACK be seen as DODGE. This makes sense.

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    1. if i'm not wrong a card can't be "retrasformed", the Serpent Halberd trasform 2 card into ATTACK, so zhao yun can't retrasform those two cards in DODGE.

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  2. But the Eight Trigram problem is a totally different situation. A judgement from activating your Eight Trigram could not be considered as your on-hand card, so it doesn't work.

    Or else, just imagine a Crossbow & Trigram equipped Zhao Yun, that would give him infinite number of ATTACK

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  3. Surely he can, you first misinterpreted the instruction of Serpent Halberd in that page. You never discard any cards when using halberd.

    >>ANS: The answer to this question was taken from the YOKA FAQ. The acknowledged answer there is NO.

    Still, i completely understand what you mean. As you can see from the link below, the discussion is nearly 50-50 for-and-against.

    http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=612415577

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  4. Just a suggestion, but perhaps a way to clear this up is the way BANG! deals with these problems. The BANG! rules differentiate "ATTACK!" and "ATTACK! cards". The BANG! rules would state that ATTACK! cards can be used to send ATTACKs!, but there are other ways to ATTACK! like discarding 2 cards with the Serpent Halberd.

    This character seems to have the same power as the BANG! character Calamity Janet, whose power is limited to the ATTACK! cards, so the YOKA FAQ seems to align with that.

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  5. "When Liu Shan was finally presented back to Liu Bei, Liu Bei tosses the baby on the ground, exclaiming that his son's life was not worth endangering his great general."

    WTF? Liu Bei must have been a horrible father!

    Anyway, great blog!

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  6. Babies were easily made back then (and still are). Great generals, not so much..

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  7. The rule is simple. Cards can only change once, not twice. Therefore if you make two cards change into an attack, it can not then change into a dodge. Also if you flip a judgement card from the 八卦陣 (that is not even your card anyway, so how can you use 龍膽 on it?), it can not then turn into an attack, even if it is itself a dodge (think of it as the diamonds or hearts turning it into a dodge).

    Similarly if you use 龍膽 or 武聖 you can not add fire attribute from 朱雀羽扇. (If you announce you are using 武聖 to turn a red attack into a red attack, you can not add fire to it..).

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    1. I mean a red fire attack into an attack.

      This can sometimes come in helpful if you do not want to trigger the effect of 鐵索連環 or 藤甲 (e.g. in 賈詡's 亂武, where you want to target an ally wearing 藤甲 without causing them damage).

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  8. If a dodge is changed to an attack card, what colour woukd the attack be?

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    1. It will be the color of the dodge card

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